【转】夫妻翻译家：杨宪益和戴乃迭

自娱自乐

hehehe, wuxinjun is also an avid reader, good on you!
Honestly, so far I haven't read anything rendered by Mr. Yang yet save for this excerpt. That is because I read it just now.hehehe
Very straightforward indeed! I like it very much! Yeah, thanks for sharing!

rlee

我不喜欢我自己，我没有那么重要。Helen Keller在自传里写道, as far as I can judge, self-love is the root of all evil. 我感同身受。

自娱自乐

我不喜欢我自己，我没有那么重要。Helen Keller在自传里写道, as far as I can judge, self-love is the root of all evil. 我感同身受。
rlee 发表于 2010-3-1 8:02:00

自爱不同于自私，我估计海伦的‘self-love‘ 是指‘自私’。西方人十分强调‘self-esteem‘ 和 ‘self-respest' , 这也属于自爱（self-love) 的范畴, 但不同于 'narcissism' 或 ‘egotism‘.


There is a saying - If you don't even love yourself, how could you possibly love anyone else? which also imply if you don't respect yourself, how could you expect others to respect you.

rlee

self-love的表现有很多种：固执己见、自以为是、自视清高、自私自利、孤芳自赏、傲慢无礼、掠夺侵略、一切以自我为中心。

我的理解是self-love未必是罪恶，但它是罪恶的根由。

Helen Keller随后写道：
Then, again, La Fontaine seldom, if ever, appeals to our highest moral sense. The highest chords he strikes are those of reason and self-love. Through all the fables runs the thought that mans morality springs wholly from self-love, and that if that self-love is directed and restrained by reason, happiness must follow. Now, so far as I can judge, self-love is the root of all evil; but, of course, I may be wrong, for La Fontaine had greater opportunities of observing men than I am likely ever to have. I do not object so much to the cynical and satirical fables as to those in which momentous truths are taught by monkeys and foxes.

自娱自乐

Well, in terms of your given definitions, in my humble opinion, more precisely it should be called 'self-centred' or 'egocentric' or 'selfish'

Self-love has kind of different definitions to apply...

quote

“You must love yourself before you love another. By accepting yourself and fully being what you are, your simple presence can make others happy.”

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rlee

are we still talking about the tranlsators?

自娱自乐

No, I don't think so. I thought we were talking about the definition of 'self-love'.