《春夜喜雨》许渊冲译文

自娱自乐

原帖由 海外逸士 于 2010-1-2 4:42:00 发表
評許譯﹕

總的來說﹐太瘦身了。有的意思就丟了。

MUTE指風雨之無聲﹐用詞不妥。學英文詞要學它的確切含義﹐才能確切使用。

LANE不是野“徑”的含義。用詞不當。

LOOM是隱隱可見。而原文是獨“明”。應該是明顯可見。又是用詞不當。

最後句英文表達較好﹐但城名沒譯出來。

如果不是許譯﹐我也不會指出用詞不當﹐免得引發不必要的爭論。別人沒學好確切
詞義﹐沒用得確切﹐

这个可以加注的，不是什么大问题。

海外逸士

MUTE指生物。

自娛君意思是說我不能批評許淵仲了﹖老實說﹐好的就說好﹐即使是初學者﹔不好
的就說不好﹐即使是權威。既然貼出東西﹐大家都能評。你也不是在評我嗎﹖只是
得限在學術範圍內。

海外逸士

自娛君非常喜歡給別人下與評作品本身無關的結論。這是不好的習慣。希望不要在這
個論壇上發展。我自己也得注意。免得徒傷網友之間的感情。

自娱自乐

原帖由 海外逸士 于 2010-1-4 6:28:00 发表
MUTE指生物。

自娛君意思是說我不能批評許淵仲了﹖老實說﹐好的就說好﹐即使是初學者﹔不好
的就說不好﹐即使是權威。既然貼出東西﹐大家都能評。你也不是在評我嗎﹖只是
得限在學術範圍內。

我没讲不能评。你没注意我评了他的‘风吹百折开’的那句句子吗？他可能为了凑韵，用了‘loom’，我不是提出了质疑？铁并不是做了点评？这些学术讨论你都没有积极参加，你说你作为这儿一个特邀顾问，你都作了些啥？

另外，你批评人家，你得拿出令人信服的真凭实据出来，就凭你一句‘用词不当’就可让人相信了你？

就拿着‘mute'了说，似乎按你的说法，此词只能用来描述生物？请看下面我给你找来的东西。



MuteFrom Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Mute may refer to:

• Muteness, a speech disorder in which a person lacks the power of articulate speech
• Mute, a silent letter in phonology
• Mute a 2005 film
• Mute (death customs) a professional mourner in Victorian and other European cultures
• Mute (music), a device used to alter the sound of a musical instrument
• Mute Records, a record label in the United Kingdom
• MUTE, a peer-to-peer file-sharing network
• Mute Magazine, a United Kingdom arts magazine
• Mute (album), a 2000 compilation album from Hush Records featuring several indie rock acts
• Mute (The Twilight Zone), an episode of The Twilight Zone

自娱自乐

mutes plural, 3rd person present;   muting present participle;   muted past tense, past participle
Someone who is mute is silent for a particular reason and does not speak. ADJ
He was mute, distant, and indifferent.
I threw a mute look of appeal at Paula.
Mute is also an adverb. ADV ADV after v
He could watch her standing mute by the phone.
He sat mute, speechless with ecstasy, gazing into the sky.
mutely ADV ADV with v
I crouched by him and grasped his hand, mutely offering what comfort I could.
Someone who is mute is unable to speak. ADJ old-fashioned
Marianna, the duke's daughter, became mute after a shock.
If someone mutes something such as their feelings or their activities, they reduce the strength or intensity of them. VERB
The corruption does not seem to have muted the country's prolonged economic boom. V n
muted ADJ ADJ-GRADED
The threat contrasted starkly with his administration's previous muted criticism.
The financial markets gave a muted response to the Democrats' triumph.
If you mute a noise or sound, you lower its volume or make it less distinct. VERB
They begin to mute their voices, not be as assertive. V n
At first the wooded hillsides muted the sounds. V n
muted ADJ ADJ-GRADED
`Yes,' he muttered, his voice so muted I hardly heard his reply.
There were muted cheers from the public gallery.
A mute is a device which can be used to make a musical instrument produce a quieter, softer sound. N-COUNT
Related phrases
deaf-mute
A deaf-mute is someone who cannot hear or speak. This word could cause offence.
deaf mute
a person who is unable to hear or speak
mute button
a switch on a telephone that you press in order to stop yourself from being heard by the person you are calling

自娱自乐

如果你的‘生物’是指‘有生命的物质’，那么在诗词里面任何的东西都可变为有生命的物质，这就是所谓的拟人法，这就是文学，可对？你可是这方面的专家呀，难道还让我一个白丁来提醒你？呵呵呵，不能吧？

自娱自乐

你说‘lane' 不是野‘径’，可我一查，不是那么一回事，那你又作如何解释呢？

mute 了？:P

无心剑

“如果不是許譯﹐我也不會指出用詞不當﹐免得引發不必要的爭論。別人沒學好確切詞義﹐沒用得確切﹐實在跟我無關。明哲保身要緊。”

假如许渊冲没学好确切词义，没用得确切，就跟海外逸士有关系，而别人没学好确切词义，没用得确切，就跟海外逸士没有关系。好奇怪的逻辑哦！看样子，海外逸士存心要跟许渊冲抬杠，以批评讽刺许译瑕疵为乐趣。即使许渊冲的译文不是完美无缺的，但是许渊冲仍然称得上是古诗英译大师，海外逸士再批评许译，也改变不了这个事实。太阳也有黑子吧，为何海外逸士对太阳的光芒视而不见而对太阳的黑子耿耿于怀？或许，这一切源于海外逸士对许渊冲不可遏止的嫉妒吧！

自娱自乐

在'toil'和‘laboriously'的议题上，我不是承认你的版本好于我的，这难道不是学术讨论？是我‘喜歡給別人下與評作品本身無關的結論。’

你在其他网站让人调侃，我都替你抱不平，可你到好还好意思把 ‘停车坐（做）爱枫林晚’翻出来，要翻的话，那就干脆一点，还make love, fuck is a much better word, 呵呵呵

无心剑

呵呵，只许州官放火，不许百姓点灯。